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Petrine Supremacy
(Primacy
of St Peter Biblical and Historical Proofs)
Debate in SOCM-Forum
Mor
Dionasius Geevarghese
SOCM-Forum Message 16130
I appreciate Ms Leena Mathew who was fighting as a warrior of the true
faith with the sword of words like Judith against Elfarnas and
appreciate all other members who fought against heresy.
An appeal to the Moderators
Please don't allow "Methran Kakshikal", the "Mudakkappettavar" to
criticize the Supreme Patron Saint of our Church, St. Petros and do not
include them in our Forum to engage in such debates. If we allow them to
intrude they will misinterpret the true faith to innocent people. They
are poisonous snakes. What they did in the "Palli Koodasha Kramam"
expresses their vulgar attitude against the true faith. For example," "bsethesaik
eedtho shemavoon ktheel vasde....." means "sabhaye ninte
adisthanathinmel semavoon kollappettirikkunnu". The poisonous group has
changed it and printed it this way "nihathar sleehar than adivaram
sabhaye..." There are many heresies they use as weapons to attack us. So
"beware these heretics".
Beloved Members!
If you have any doubt about the supremacy of St. Petros, please go
through the Church History of the first three centuries "Moonnu
noottaaandukalile sabha charithram" written by the late Patriarch of
Antioch and all the East, Moran Mor Ignathios Yaqub III while H.H was
Raban Abdul Ahad and translated into Malayalam by "Thakidiyil Yacub
kasheesha" (see notes on page 112 on What is Petros? and What is Petra?)
Petros in Greek means a piece of Rock and Petra means a big Rock. The
actual Rock is Mashiha as we read in 1Co 10:4 "And did all drink the
same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that
followed them: and that Rock was Christ". St. Peter and all other
Apostles are foundation stones of the Church. The word Pathros means
Father in Greek. The original pronunciation is Petros and not Pathros as
we Malayalees say. St. Petros is the chief of the Apostles. We cannot
separate faith from a person unless he himself rejects it. St. Petros
had a true faith which was interpreted in our "Penkeesa" Prayer book
when the question arises from our Lord.
Mathew 16:13 "When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he
asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
Matt 16:14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some,
Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
Matt 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
"the Head of the Apostles meditated and uplifted his soul to Heaven and
received the answer from the Heavenly Father, replied 'You are the
Msheeha, the Son of the living God."
Matt 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the
Son of the living God.
Matt 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon
Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my
Father which is in heaven.
Matt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this
rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail
against it.
Matt 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven:
and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and
whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
The true faith was not from his self, it was given from the Holy Father
in Heaven. See what Jesus says, "flesh and blood hath not revealed it
unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven."
Jesus says, "That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my
church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
Jesus built His Church on St. Peter and not on his faith. If it is built
on faith there is no need for Petros. Petros had a rock-like Faith in
the SON OF GOD. When he lost it, for a brief moment as it were, he
became like swift sand. This happened when Petros denied Him.
St. Matthew 2632-35, 74,75. He denied and repented.
In Psa 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou
delightest not in burnt offering.
Psa 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a
contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
This teaches us that God loves souls that repent and the Kingdom of God
is theirs.
Matt 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for
the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
St. Petros had a contrite soul which endeared him to our Lord Jesus very
much. He gave him the authority of Chief Shepherd to rule over the whole
Church. "ENTE ANADUKALE MEYIKKUKA, ENTE PENNADUKALE MEYIKKUKA, ENTE
KUNJADUKALE MEYIKKUKA". [If it is merely on the faith, distinct from the
person of Peter, that the Church was built, why this command to St.
Peter and why only to him and not the other Apostles assembled there?]
This is our true belief and no body has any right to question us.
Every house has a head, every institution has its Chair Person, every
country has a Ruler. In the same way, our Church has a supreme head,
H.H. Patriarch Moran Mor Ignatius Zakka I Iwas. Those who do not have a
Patriarch as their supreme head have found it necessary to borrow a "Pimen
Patriarch" or a "Catholica Patriarch" or somebody else as their head as
we have seen in the years past. We must not follow their false
teachings. Please read the Salmoosa of our "Parumala Thirumeni" and the
writings of our fore fathers.
May God bless us through the great intercession of St. Peter the Chief
of the Apostles and the first Patriarch of Antioch and all the East.
Deevannasios Methrachan
Manjinikkara Dayara
SOCM-Forum Message 16167
In
SOCM-FORUM@yahoogroups.com,
Mor Dionasius Geevarghese wrote:
>> Jesus built His Church on St. Peter and not on his faith. If it is
built on faith there is no need for Petros. Petros had a rock-like Faith
in the SON OF GOD. When he lost it, for a brief moment as it were, he
became like swift sand. This happened when Petros denied Him.<<
Well, this contradicts the whole argument your Thirumeni is making in
favor of the church build on St. Peter the rock.
If the rock has become like swift sand for a moment what happened to the
Church built on it.
This is as good as accepting that the Church is not built on St. Peter
the rock, but St. Peter's faith which was like a rock when Jesus told
him so.
Rgds
Ronnie Daniel
Toronto, Canada
A Malankara Orthodox Member
2304
SOCM-Forum Message 16176
Dear moderators,
The argument about Petrine supremacy is to be appreciated and answered.
Matt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, "That thou art Peter, and upon this
rock I WILL BUILD my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail
against it."
That is to happen in the future, not at the time our Lord speaks to St.
Peter. For the building of the Church Jesus is preparing stones for its
foundation. The corner stone is our Lord Jesus Christ.
"1Pe 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of
men, but chosen of God, and precious,
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an
holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by
Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay
in Sion a CHIEF CORNER STONE, elect, precious: and he that believeth on
him shall not be confounded.
Isa 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a
foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure
foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
Psa 118:22 The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone
of the corner
Act 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders,
which is become the head of the corner."
ALL APOSTLES ARE ADDITIONAL STONES IN THIS FOUNDATION. At Pentecost,
this building of the Church started at the time of the hovering of Holy
Spirit. Jesus Christ while in this world (i.e., before His crucifixion)
prepared stones for that day. At the time of the proclamation of "You
are the son of the Living God," St. Petros became a man of Rock-like
faith and on him Jesus built His
Church. During the time of temptation, Luk 22:31 And the Lord said,
Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as
wheat: Luk 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, THAT THY FAITH FAIL NOT:
AND WHEN THOU ART CONVERTED, STRENGTHEN THY BRETHREN."
Satan sifted him as wheat but the prayer of his Lord saved him from
destruction. He gave him a chance to repent.
In our prayers, we read at the time of ordination of the Apostles as
priests, "Thoma areek hwo, Yudo abeed hwo" which means "Thoma ran away
and Yuda perished". When Jesus was arrested, all Apostles deserted Him.
After His resurrection, Petros was reinstated through his repentance to
shepherd His Church. The Word of God shall not become void. Jesus is not
a false teacher. He did what He said, fulfilling His promise, "That thou
art Peter, and upon this rock I WILL BUILD my church".
When Pentecost day arrived, all Apostles were filled with the Holy
Spirit. Act 2:13 "Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine."
The chief of the Apostles advises the multitude as follows, Act 2:14
"But PETER, STANDING UP WITH THE ELEVEN, lifted up his voice, and said
unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this
known unto you, and hearken to my words: Act 2:15 For these are not
drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the
day..............".
Again we can see what was the attitude of the multitude assembled there
towards St Petros. "Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked
in their heart, and said unto PETER AND TO THE REST OF THE APOSTLES, Men
and brethren, what shall we do?"
May I conclude here. Jesus said, "That thou art Peter, and upon this
rock I WILL BUILD my church" and His words were fulfilled on Pentecost.
May God, the Holy father the Holy Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Living
Spirit bless us all through the Great intercession of St. Peter the
Chief of the Apostles for ever and ever. Amen.
Deevannasios Methrachan
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